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Talk:Book burning in Qin Dynasty

2013-03-01T20:35:18Z

Anonymous5:

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Christopher, please start by uploading your powerpoint presentation and then extend the existing article. Now it is still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:34, 25 February 2013 (CET)

The beginning still needs to be done in first person. I like the commentary that you provide through the perspective of QinShiHuang.[[User:Oprah wind fury| Oprah wind fury]] ([[User talk:Oprah wind fury|talk]]) 15:12, 27 February 2013 (MST)

Good job. Your powerpoint was great. The book burning seems kind of controversial, like the Kennedy assassination. It seems as though we'll never know the veritable truth about it, but just little details. Dr who (talk) 28 February 2013 (CET)

I liked all the the information you had about what led up to the book burning and the people who were involved. It helps understand what happened and why it happened. [[User:Leo1299|Leo1299]] ([[User talk:Leo1299|talk]]) 03:18, 1 March 2013 (CET)

It is usually true that book burning events were staged to provide shock effect on the populace, while the real books were put in a secret library for later use. Good incorporation of that in your summation.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:35, 1 March 2013 (CET)

Talk:Empresses

2013-03-01T20:32:11Z

Anonymous5:

Dear Mallory, that looks good! I especially like how you linked the pptx and got the picture. [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 18:50, 26 February 2013 (CET)

== How were the Empresses treated as compared to the concubines who held power in China? How many of these women actually held power and how many were merely titled Dowagers?[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:36, 27 February 2013 (CET)

It may be too short but it looks like the professor is happy with it so at this point maybe you are fine? Other than that it is great. [[User:Oprah wind fury| Oprah wind fury]] ([[User talk:Oprah wind fury|talk]]) 02:00, 28 February 2013 (MST)

I loved your powerpoint today. I did not realize the women of these dynasties were so influential. Great job!. Dr who (talk) 28 February 2013 (CET)

Talk:Three Kingdoms

2013-03-01T20:29:04Z

Anonymous5: Created page with "This looks good ,great maps and pictures. Good overall presentation of facts and information.~~~~"

This looks good ,great maps and pictures. Good overall presentation of facts and information.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:29, 1 March 2013 (CET)

Talk:Xunzi

2013-03-01T20:26:42Z

Anonymous5:

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Daniel, please start by uploading your powerpoint presentation and then revise the existing article. Now it is still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:30, 25 February 2013 (CET)

The length is still too short. Work on the first person narrative. More pictures might help the length and feel of the article.[[User:Oprah wind fury| Oprah wind fury]] ([[User talk:Oprah wind fury|talk]]) 15:12, 27 February 2013 (MST)

I really like your incorporation of pictures, especially the sample text of Xunzi on the right side. This is probably the best page I've seen yet.[[User:Dr_who|Dr_who]] ([[User talk:Dr_who|talk]]) 28 February 2013

I think your page looks good, it's laid out very well. [[User:Leo1299|Leo1299]] ([[User talk:Leo1299|talk]]) 02:54, 1 March 2013 (CET)

It has a good start but needs pictures and more detail. Way too short also.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:26, 1 March 2013 (CET)

Talk:Empresses

2013-02-27T20:36:12Z

Anonymous5:

Dear Mallory, that looks good! I especially like how you linked the pptx and got the picture. [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 18:50, 26 February 2013 (CET)

== How were the Empresses treated as compared to the concubines who held power in China?[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:36, 27 February 2013 (CET)

Talk:Qin Shihuangdi

2013-02-27T20:32:56Z

Anonymous5: /* New comments in 2013 */

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Emmanuel, I have uploaded your powerpoint presentation. Please revise the existing article. Now it is still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:31, 25 February 2013 (CET)

== Long poem. I really don't like first person as it is really hard to keep going and not revert to third person at times. Content is good but choppy at times and needs filling out in places.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:32, 27 February 2013 (CET)

=Old comments=
I'm sorry Professor, There is just no way I'm going to have this done by midnight. I just saved my most recent update and I will continue to work on this until I finish, but that will be some time after midnight, I'm afraid. I'll take whatever late penalty you feel is fair. I knew the deadline. I have no one but myself to blame for finishing late.[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 07:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

= Scope =
I know, it's just a start. More pictures, words and citations will be added.[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 05:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:This is not even a start, it is just a stub. Can anybody help Licia with it? [[Special:Contributions/161.28.159.52|161.28.159.52]] 22:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
::Who is IP 161.28.159.52? Please login with your user name first! [[Special:Contributions/161.28.159.52|161.28.159.52]] 22:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

=Content=
Where is all that great information from your presentation? I feel that becoming a ruler at such a young age and accomplishing so much in such short time, a timeline of some sort would be very useful in putting Qin Shihuangdi's life in perpective. [[Jimmerica|Jimmerica]] 02:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
: I'm working on it- slowly, but I will get back to this article. Good idea about a time line- we'll have to see how it works out. [[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 09:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, you should look into uploading the powerpoint, Then you could use different pictures in the article. And, don't forget to proof read the final article. But, definitely, finish writing this. You started almost a month ago and should be further along than you are- especially since the paper is due in less than 24 hours! [[User:Dekeo|Dekeo]] 09:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

If you put it in the perspective of Qin, you still need to address the faults of the Emperor, such as killing of philosophers, and the book burnings. [[User:Linksys|Linksys]] 17:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The dates when Qin unified China are informative, but they do need to be tied into the rest of the page. Put it in a sentence or paragraph about his conquerings, this will help it make sense. [[User:Linksys|Linksys]] 05:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

= Credits =
*You have quoted from one of my books. Why don't you mention the sources? [[Special:Contributions/161.28.159.52|161.28.159.52]] 22:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
* Cite! Cite! Cite! [[User:Dekeo|Dekeo]] 09:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
After you get more content, you should add your references using MLA format. [[Jimmerica|Jimmerica]] 02:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
: Yup. It's in the works. I'm looking for better sources for the pictures (you know, free of copy-write issues.) [[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 09:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Wiki format? ==
I though that the information you had was good, but the format you used had no organized structure. The use of actual paragraphs would have been good and pictures to help get a better idea of what you are describing.
: I'm still working on this page.[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 07:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Qin Shihuangdi

2013-02-27T20:32:38Z

Anonymous5: /* New comments in 2013 */

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Emmanuel, I have uploaded your powerpoint presentation. Please revise the existing article. Now it is still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:31, 25 February 2013 (CET)
== Long poem. I really don't like first person as it is really hard to keep going and not revert to third person at times. Content is good but choppy at times and needs filling out in places.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:32, 27 February 2013 (CET)

=Old comments=
I'm sorry Professor, There is just no way I'm going to have this done by midnight. I just saved my most recent update and I will continue to work on this until I finish, but that will be some time after midnight, I'm afraid. I'll take whatever late penalty you feel is fair. I knew the deadline. I have no one but myself to blame for finishing late.[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 07:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

= Scope =
I know, it's just a start. More pictures, words and citations will be added.[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 05:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:This is not even a start, it is just a stub. Can anybody help Licia with it? [[Special:Contributions/161.28.159.52|161.28.159.52]] 22:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
::Who is IP 161.28.159.52? Please login with your user name first! [[Special:Contributions/161.28.159.52|161.28.159.52]] 22:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

=Content=
Where is all that great information from your presentation? I feel that becoming a ruler at such a young age and accomplishing so much in such short time, a timeline of some sort would be very useful in putting Qin Shihuangdi's life in perpective. [[Jimmerica|Jimmerica]] 02:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
: I'm working on it- slowly, but I will get back to this article. Good idea about a time line- we'll have to see how it works out. [[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 09:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, you should look into uploading the powerpoint, Then you could use different pictures in the article. And, don't forget to proof read the final article. But, definitely, finish writing this. You started almost a month ago and should be further along than you are- especially since the paper is due in less than 24 hours! [[User:Dekeo|Dekeo]] 09:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

If you put it in the perspective of Qin, you still need to address the faults of the Emperor, such as killing of philosophers, and the book burnings. [[User:Linksys|Linksys]] 17:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The dates when Qin unified China are informative, but they do need to be tied into the rest of the page. Put it in a sentence or paragraph about his conquerings, this will help it make sense. [[User:Linksys|Linksys]] 05:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

= Credits =
*You have quoted from one of my books. Why don't you mention the sources? [[Special:Contributions/161.28.159.52|161.28.159.52]] 22:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
* Cite! Cite! Cite! [[User:Dekeo|Dekeo]] 09:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
After you get more content, you should add your references using MLA format. [[Jimmerica|Jimmerica]] 02:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
: Yup. It's in the works. I'm looking for better sources for the pictures (you know, free of copy-write issues.) [[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 09:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Wiki format? ==
I though that the information you had was good, but the format you used had no organized structure. The use of actual paragraphs would have been good and pictures to help get a better idea of what you are describing.
: I'm still working on this page.[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 07:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The Warring States Period

2013-02-27T20:29:34Z

Anonymous5: Created page with "== I would like to see how some of the ideologies mentioned affected the warring states rather than just listing them. This leaves a lot of loose ends for the reader to track ..."

== I would like to see how some of the ideologies mentioned affected the warring states rather than just listing them. This leaves a lot of loose ends for the reader to track down.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:29, 27 February 2013 (CET)

Talk:Mencius

2013-02-27T20:25:45Z

Anonymous5: /* New comments in 2013 */

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Bill, this is a good start, but still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:25, 25 February 2013 (CET)

==Did Mencius feel that he succeeded? It seems like everything he taught was ignored by these kings and rulers.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:25, 27 February 2013 (CET)

=Old comments=
Dear Delon, please paste your reading in turn notes here. [[User:Root|Root]] 00:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

=comment=
My eyes hit a wall of text and now are bruised. --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== Comment 2 ==
I already read too much stuff with no pictures and this has just killed my left eye (right one already dead). --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Mencius

2013-02-27T20:25:27Z

Anonymous5: /* New comments in 2013 */

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Bill, this is a good start, but still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:25, 25 February 2013 (CET)
==Did Mencius feel that he succeeded? It seems like everything he taught was ignored by these kings and rulers.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:25, 27 February 2013 (CET)

=Old comments=
Dear Delon, please paste your reading in turn notes here. [[User:Root|Root]] 00:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

=comment=
My eyes hit a wall of text and now are bruised. --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== Comment 2 ==
I already read too much stuff with no pictures and this has just killed my left eye (right one already dead). --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Mencius

2013-02-27T20:23:31Z

Anonymous5:

[[File:Mencius-1-.jpg|thumb|right| Mencius in Life ]]
Meng Ke or Mencius was born in the Zou state in about 372 BCE, nearly a century after Confucius. In several respects I lived a life similar to that of Confucius. Zou and Lu (the state of Confucius’ origin) were adjacent states. I lost his father when I was only three years old. My mother moved Our home several times and finally settling near a school, so that I would have the right kind of environmental influence and encouraging Mencius to persevere in my studies.

As a young scholar my mentor was a pupil of Zisi, who was himself the grandson of Confucius. Thus, the continuity of the Confucian orthodoxy in all its purity was assured (Ebrey). In time, I became a teacher and for a brief period served as an official in the state of Qi. Mencius spent much time traveling, offering advice and counsel to the various princes on government human-heartedness, or humane government. Because the times were chaotic, and the contending princes were not interested in humane government but in power, I found little sucess. I had many discussions with the various leaders of these states. Some of them considered my teachings as being very valid, but because of the tense situation of the wars and interference by rival advisors, they seldom implemented my teachings into their governments. My teachings and discussions with the kings of the warring states are recorded in the book ''Mencious'' which was written by my pupils after my death.

==The Zhou dynasty (c. 1046–256 BCE) was founded on the feudalistic principle of a sociopolitical hierarchy, with clearly defined privileges and responsibilities between those of high and low status. Ambition and intrigue resulted in deterioration of the feudalistic system and bringing on a condition of political and moral chaos. This trend continued to worsen at an accelerating rate, and is known in Chinese history as the period of Warring States (475–221 BCE). This was when larger feudal states warred on and defeated smaller states (De Bary and Bloom). War at that time was very brutal and pitted armies in hand to hand combat. Farmers were forced to fight alongside the regular army with crossbows and even at times with hies from their fields. Families were torn apart in order to have enough fighters in the battles to face the enemy. I preached to the princes on virtuous personal conduct and humane government but it all fell on deaf ears. The kings were only interested in winning the war against the enemy states at all costs, so they could remain in power themselves.

My beliefs were that, the ruler was to provide for the welfare of the people in two respects: material conditions for their livelihood and moral and educational guidance for their edification; this to attain economic sufficiency for the common people. Including light taxes, conservation of natural resources, welfare measures for the old and disadvantaged, and more equal sharing of wealth, believing that “only when the people had a steady livelihood would they have a steady heart.” "Why must the king speak of profit? There are humaneness and rightness, that is all. If the King says 'How can I profit my state?' the officers will say 'How can I profit my house?' and the gentleman and the common people will say, 'How can I profit my person?' Those above and those below will be competing with one another for profit, and the state will be imperiled. One who would murder the ruler of a state with ten thousand chariots would have to be from a house of a thousand chariots; one who would murder the ruler of a state of a thousand chariots would have to be from a house of a hundred chariots. A share of a thousand out of ten thousand or a hundred out of a thousand is hardly negligible; yet when rightness is subordinated to profit the urge to lay claim to more becomes irresistible. It has never happened that one given to humaneness abandons his parents, or that one given to rightness subordinates the interests of his lord. The king should speak of humaneness and rightness. Why is it necessary to speak of profit?" (De Bary and Bloom)

[[File:Mencius_5.jpg|Mencius teaching ]]

==Always I tried to remind the princes of the responsibility that came to them with the mandate of Heaven to govern for the good of the people. I declared: “The people are the most important element in a nation; the spirits of the land and grain come next; the sovereign counts for the least.” I also quoted for all to hear from the Shujing (“Classic of History”), one of the Five Classics of Confucianism, the saying “Heaven sees as the people see; Heaven hears as the people hear.” I became a champion of the common people and an advocate of democratic principles in government. I taught King Hui of Liang: "The king's dogss and pigs eat food intended for human biengs, and he does not know enough to prohibit this. On the roads there are people dying of starvation, and he does not know enough to distribute food. People die, and he says 'it was not I, it was the year.' How is this different from killing a person by stabbibg him and then saying ' It was not I, it was the weapon'? When the king ceases to place the blame on the year, then the people of the world will come to him."(De Bary and Bloom).[[User:Bill P|Bill P]] ([[User talk:Bill P|talk]]) 17:42, 27 February 2013 (CET)

[[File:Moral_drives.jpg|Moral Drives ]]

My philosophic ideas might be regarded as complimenting the teachings of Confucius. Confucius taught the concept of ren, love or human-heartedness, as the basic virtue of manhood. The original goodness of human nature (xing) was the basis of his system. That the four beginnings (siduan)—the feeling of commiseration, the feeling of shame, the feeling of courtesy, and the feeling of right and wrong—are all inborn in man was a self-evident truth; and the “four beginnings,” when properly cultivated, will develop into the four cardinal virtues of ren, righteousness (yi), decorum (li), and wisdom (zhi). This doctrine of the goodness of human nature has become an enduring topic for debate among the Chinese thinkers throughout the ages.(Chang and Owen).

I believed that through the training of the heart and mind in the correct principals, all people can become like the great sage-kings Yao and Shun, the legendary heroes of the archaic past. I taught the king that people need to be able to have sufficient to serve themselves and their parents, then they will be able to observe the rites. "At present, the regulation of the people's livelihood is such that, above, they do not have enough to serve their parents, and below, they do not have enough to support wives and children. Even in years of prosperity their lives are bitter, while in years of dearth they are unable to escape starvation. Under these circumstances they only try to save themselves from death, fearful that they will not suceed. How could they spare the time for the practice of rites and rightness?" (De Bary and Bloom).

[[File:Mencius.jpg‎| http://www.iep.utm.edu/mencius/]]

Mencius is regarded as a major philosopher, by the neo-Confucians of the Song dynasty (960–1279). He is revered among the Chinese people as the cofounder of Confucianism, second only to Confucius himself, because his teachings reached many more people than Confucius was able to reach. His teachings were like those of Confucius and were considered to be reinforcement of the teachings and principals he taught, especially on the "right principals of government."

"Gaozi said,'Human nature is like whirling water When an outlet is opened to the east, it flows east; when an outlet is opened to the west, it flows west Human nature is no more inclined to good or bad than water is inclined to east or west'. Mencius responded, Water, it is true is not inclined to either east or west, but does it have no preference for high or low? Goodness is to human nature like flowing downward to water. There are no people who are not good and no water that does not flow down . Still water if splashed can go higher than your head; if forced, it can be brought up a hill This isn't the nature of water; it is the specific circumstances. Although people can be made to be bad, their natures are not changed." (De Bary and Bloom).

Mencius taught the rulers of the warring states that if they had the needs of the people foremost in mind, the needs of the kingdom would follow suit because the two were inseparable from each other. He said "Ask what is best for the people not what is profitable for the kingdom. If the king looks for profit, the minister will look for profit, the general will look for profit, the farmer will look for profit, and none will be happy. If the King looks for what is best for the people so will the minister and the general and the farmer and the people will have what they need and all will be happy." This teaches that in greed no one prospers and everyone suffers, but when all look after each other, everyone can prosper and all can be in a happy state. He urged the kings to work on expanding their "Qi" which is a mental and spiritual state of being in which one feels the energy that comes from doing the right thing for the right reason. This sympathetic responsiveness towards others would become one of the most important contributions to the later Chinese philosophy. "Heaven in giving birth to humankind, created for each thing its own rule. The people's common disposition is to love this admirable virtue." (Ebrey)--[[User:Bill P|Bill P]] 16:09, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

==References==
*Patricia Ebrey, Chinese Civilization : A Sourcebook, 2d ed. (New York: Free Press, 1993), pp. 22-24
*Chang, Kang-i Sun, and Stephen Owen. The Cambridge History of Chinese Literature. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge UP, 2010. Print.
*De Bary, Theodore and Irene Bloom. Sources of Chinese Tradition 2nd edition. New York: Columbia University Press, 1999

Weblinks
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius
*http://www.iep.utm.edu/mencius/

== Classroom Presentations ==
*Powerpoint file by Olivia [[Media:Mencius.pptx]]
*Powerpoint file by Bill P. [[Media:Mencius.pptx]]

Talk:Han Feizi

2013-02-27T20:20:24Z

Anonymous5: /* New comments in 2013 */

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Raleigh, please start by uploading your powerpoint presentation and then revise the existing article. Now it is still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need to stick to the 1st person narrative ("I", "me" etc.) and not only describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:33, 25 February 2013 (CET)

==There does not seem to be much at all about Han Feizi's life except for the Legalism teachings. Do we know anything about him?[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2013 (CET)==

Talk:Terra Cotta Army

2013-02-27T20:16:57Z

Anonymous5: /* New comments in 2013 */

=New comments in 2013=
Dear Bill, please start by uploading your powerpoint presentation and then revise the existing article. Now it is still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. You need not only to describe things, but also switch to the commentator role (maybe indicated by "Contemporary Commentator" and then evaluate and discuss the topic from different angles, put it into context, criticize etc.). If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:36, 25 February 2013 (CET)

==There seems to be a lot of question about what is actually there (tomb) and what is legend or hear say. Clarifying material?[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:16, 27 February 2013 (CET)==

=References=
You should add your references using MLA format. [[Jimmerica|Jimmerica]] 02:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

=Content=
If you are looking for more content, I think it may be interesting to read more about the production process- what terra cotta is, how it is made, and how each soldier was assembled. Also, what kept this artwork preserved for such a long period of time. [[Jimmerica|Jimmerica]] 02:28, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, I just added the information on how the soldiers were made.[[chris1|chris1]]

Another comment on Content, where is your argument? So far, this is just a description of what happened. And, be sure to proofread this. You have some punctuation issues and many of your sentences don't make sense, the way they are written. Try reading it out loud, I think you'll see what I mean. [[User:Dekeo|Dekeo]] 09:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Great! I just made some grammar corrections.[[chris1|chris1]]

Add the video you found on youtube. Also, I can see your statement on the top that this is one of the greatest discoveries, but where is the content to support that strong statement? Be more descriptive in the size of the army and where it is kept. It would be good to describe the surrounding area or that there are possibly more armies and the tomb of Qin on that land. [[User:Linksys|Linksys]] 17:59, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I just added more information on the rest of area around the emperors tomb.[[chris1|chris1]]

And say why they haven't uncovered the rest of the burial place.[[User:Linksys|Linksys]] 18:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

No link to the original source to the pictures.. and maybe add one more reference? [[User:Kovenor|Kovenor]] 21:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Confucius

2013-02-27T20:13:41Z

Anonymous5: /* Comment 4 */

=New comments in Spring 2013=
Dear Taran and Loren, you write this article together. Please contact each other and work well together. Loren is more concentrating on the historical part and Tara more on the literary aspect of Confucius. [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 19:55, 26 February 2013 (CET)

*Dear Loren, this is a good start, but still too short. The final version should be 7 pages. If you want to write less, you can integrate more pictures. Please make sure to indicate your source after each sentence or, if there is a whole paragraph with the same source, after each paragraph. You can indicate it like "Smith 2009:345" and in the final section "References" write the long version "Smith, Jared, Confucius revisted, Yale University Press 2009, 415 pp." In the edit mode, section headers are indicated with "=" and sub section headers with "==". In the edit mode, paragraphs need to be marked with 2 line feeds ("Enter" key). 1 Line feed will not show up as a paragraph. For additional editing tips, including how to indicate sources and how to find copyright free pictures, please refer to [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal]. Good luck with your composition! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2013 (CET)
*Please look at the spelling error in your file name "Cunfucius.ppt". Also, the file is not complete, since it was larger than allowed. I will split it into 2 files and upload it again, as well as get rid of the side "Kong Fuzi". Please integrate your findings in the existing article. I am looking forward your midterm paper. Thank you! [[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 22:00, 19 February 2013 (CET)
*Please work also on the travels of Confucius and talk about the possibility that they were made up by Mencius and why.
*Please look again through the powerpoint presentation for consistency of referring to Confucius as "I" and not as "He".
You can also explain on the slide with the names, from when on these names were used. And you can indicate (in the mid-term paper), that the use of "Kongzi" in a text helps us to date it, because dating is crucial for seeing what might be authentic and what was made up later, especially during the Han times, when they started a Confucius cult.
*Please also explain (at least in the paper) the different versions of the Analects and distinguish between the historical person Zhong Ni and the later made up sage "Kong Fuzi".
*These are just a few ideas I had when I looked at your revised presentation.
*There are also some pictures, who are not visible in my version of your ppt. It looks like you embedded them with Quicktime, but not everybody has it. So you may want to send me the pictures one by one and I can help you to input them in the presentation again the normal way (in Powerpoint using "Insert" "Graphic").[[User:Root|Root]] ([[User talk:Root|talk]]) 22:13, 19 February 2013 (CET)

It would be good to proofread the paragraphs; there are a few grammatical errors that appear in the article. Maybe not accurate, but I remember hearing the concept of "Wen" when I've heard others discuss Confucius, which was literary studies and the moral value of such an idea; it might be a good thing to research and add to the page. [[User:Cappuccino|Cappuccino]] ([[User talk:Cappuccino|talk]]) 08:01, 26 February 2013 (CET)

=old comments=
Hey, it's a start...[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 05:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear Licia, please paste your reading in turn notes here and upload your ppt. Please make sure to include the sources, also of images. See the section on images in our [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal#How_to_upload_and_integrate_media_like_pictures.2C_powerpoint_presentations_etc. instructions]. Thanks! [[User:Root|Root]] 00:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== I only did the presentation in the Classical Literature class. Since this article is also listed in the Traditional History class, (where the teacher did the presentation, but did not post any notes) I didn't upload the literature ppt. (I posted this in the History class section also, because, you can't have China history without Confucius! Someone had to post some sort of article about him, so I volunteered).[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 03:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Great pic! I think it could use a reference or two. [[User:Jimmerica]] 11:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Use the thumbnail adjustment on that picture. [[User:Alchemist1330]]

===Comment 4===
I though when the topic is a person it must be in first person? If not please ignore this. Also, the pictures kind of cut through your text. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== Didn't you notice? It says, at the start, that he is never supposed to have spoken of himself in first person. That is why, even though he is "speaking of himself" it is written in third person. That is also why it says, at the end, that he should maybe start to speak of himself in first person.[[User:Dekeo|Dekeo]] 20:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

== Writing a paper in first person is very difficult and makes for a hard to read page. I would much prefer to read a third person narrative on a persons life. This is good though and gives a lot of information on Confucious' life and teachings.[[User:Anonymous5|Anonymous5]] ([[User talk:Anonymous5|talk]]) 21:13, 27 February 2013 (CET) ==