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Talk:Writing with your own blood

2012-04-19T07:37:20Z

Meh:

Creepy yet good. a Picture or two would be nice. Alchemist1330

===Comment 2===

In the FILIAL PIETY section, why does cutting off fingers mean devotion? And why must Zhou write in blood? She can just sit and do nothing. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Middlebrow Literature

2012-04-19T07:30:31Z

Meh:

Can you still paste your notes here? Thank you very much! Best, [[User:Root|Root]] 00:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

===Comment 1===
The examples section may look clearer if you reformat it by separating the novels a bit more.

And please delete the �. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Which emperor had killed close relatives to ascend the throne?

2012-04-19T07:26:51Z

Meh:

Picture are much appreciated Alchemsit1330

===Comment 2===
Especially pictures of the killings, please. If available, of course. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Poetry Genres

2012-04-19T07:25:42Z

Meh:

Very very good love the charaters if you had pictures that would be nice Alchemist1330

===Comment 2===
More example poems would be nice. With original Chinese text (because they look pretty). --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Ming literature

2012-04-19T07:23:56Z

Meh:

Picture Picture i like the content though very much Alchemist 1330

===Comment 2===
Check for symbols that should not appear in writings. And some sentences seem to be incomplete (missing the subject mostly). --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Ming Literature I

2012-04-19T07:21:01Z

Meh: Created page with '===Comment 1=== Finally something with 2+ pictures! Thank you! Try and separate the text somewhat though, too many words! --~~~~'

===Comment 1===
Finally something with 2+ pictures! Thank you! Try and separate the text somewhat though, too many words! --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Yuan Literature II

2012-04-19T07:18:38Z

Meh:

Picture picture Alchemist1330

===Comment 2===
Need pictures as said in above comment. Also, using too many ='s and -'s may make stuff confusing, be aware. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Yuan Literature I

2012-04-19T07:16:53Z

Meh:

A pic or two would be nice. Alchemist1330

===Comment 2===
Way too black and white.. though at least you have some bullets. As said in above comment pictures would be nice. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Examples of authors unknown in their lifetime, but famous after their death

2012-04-19T07:14:28Z

Meh:

I really like this page I would add picture you used from your power point though. Alchemist1330

I think you should add a citation for the first poem you quoted. [[User:Dei|Dei]] 03:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

You could mention the fact that for much of Chinese history, writers didn't publish their works while they lived, so that many works were only brought to light after the author died. And maybe give a short explanation for why this was, and when this changed. [[User:Dei|Dei]] 03:33, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

It would be nice to have answers maybe at the bottom of the page or something. Seems very linear and long, design-wise --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Comment 5===
Perhaps you can do the answers in white-colored font so that we have to highlight to see them if we want to? Although I am not sure if that can be done on the wiki here. Also works cited is in a weird box... --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Cai Yong

2012-04-19T07:10:12Z

Meh:

===Comment 1===
It's rather short but I really really really really like it - to the point, no unnecessary stuff that I have to read and filter for the important info. Very nice~~ --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Cai Yong

2012-04-19T07:09:55Z

Meh: Created page with '===Comment 1=== It's rather short but I really really really really like it - to the point, no unnecessary stuff that I have to read and filter for the important info. Very nice~…'

===Comment 1===
It's rather short but I really really really really like it - to the point, no unnecessary stuff that I have to read and filter for the important info. Very nice[[User:Meh|Meh]] --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Tao Yuanming

2012-04-19T07:08:07Z

Meh:

I really like this page ummm maybe use some paraenthetical citations though im not sure if we are required to use them.
Alchemist 1330

===Comment 2===
Perhaps separate the presentation from your references? Because I don't think, the powerpoint is a reference... I'm not sure though. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 07:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Yuan Literature II

2012-04-19T06:58:04Z

Meh: Undo revision 2803 by Meh (Talk)

= 2 trends when Southern Song fell: =
*Yimin = loyalists = leftover subjects – minds trapped in previous dynasty
*New areas of China opened up – travels. Many Buddhist and Daoist monks went to see the great temple complex at Mount Wutai and new capital in Dadu. It brought about a sense of unity.

= Implications of the end of the examination system =
Since there are no more imperial examinations, the writers started to do other stuff in its place.

Poetic competitions were organized in the south. They resurrected the ideals and structure of the examination system but its main focus is literary composition independent of political mobility.

Instead of testing the standard core of shared info, they created societies that examined different writers on their ability to write poetry of a single topic.

The institutions judged the quality or the works and awarded prizes.

Some of the themes were flowers, colophons on calligraphy and paintings, parting poems, poems celebrating appointments to positions, poetic gatherings, historical sites and events, etc.

Most important themes: palace poems and “bamboo songs” from West Lack in Hangzhou.

Hundreds of colophons and independently compiled and printed collections of poems on a single theme.

Like the imperial examinations, these events and competitions resulted in large gatherings, which strengthened communication and the cultural bond between writers.

= The Poetic Society of Moon Spring =

The most important society was Yuequan yinshe = 月泉吟社 = The Poetic Society of Moon Spring.

In Nov. 1286, Wu Wei sent out invitations to the poetic societies that he knew asking writers to compose a poem on the topic “Random Inspirations in Field and Garden in Days of Spring” and submit it on the Lantern Festival – 15th of 1st lunar month = Jan. 29, 1287. On April 16 the winners will be announced. Aoubt 2735 poems were collected and judged by eminent writers in the society, all of whom refused to serve the Yuan. Poets used pen names and names of examiners were not released. About 280 poems were selected, ranked, and published with commentary by judges and the number and amount of awards in the book called “Poems of the Poetic Society of Moon Spring.”

Top winner: 70 ft of silk, 5 pens, 5 sticks of ink.

= Yuan =

The poetic societies, especially The Poetic Society of Moon Spring, were acts of resistance to the Yuan.

They kept the value of writing alive as a cultural act as well as linked social and cultural authority to competition and rewards of good writing.

Due to the societies, the main feature of Yuan poetry is the collection of poems on a single topic, which is a highly cohesive social act.

Another remarkable characteristic is that the authorities did not interfere with the societies’ development of the purely private and extensive network of communication.

= Two Major Figures =
*方回 = Fang Hui (1227-1307)
*戴表元 = Dai Biaoyuan (1244-1311)

== Fang Hui ==

Fang Hui was one of the first officials to surrender to the Mongols. He served briefly under the Mongols and then spent the majority of his time moving around near Hangzhou and wrote. His character had issues but his poetry and critical works are all accepted.

Major work: 瀛奎律髓 = Yingkui Lüsui = The Essentials of the Regulated Verse of the Poets of the Tang and Song.
It contains 49 chapters. Fang Hui marked words in a poem that indicate its “eye,” which is its point of critical excellence, and he critiqued each poem with a short statement. He wanted to renew the place of Jiangxi School in the tradition to correct the overly refined and vulgar nature of Four Lings andd the Rivers and Lakes poets.

Fang Hui advocated yizu sanzong = the “one progenitor and three ancestors” – Du Fu, Huang Tingjian, Chen Shidao, Chen Yuyi, who are zhenshi zhi pai = the “correct school of poetry” and have the highest standards of cretivity
Fang Hui emphasized fa = “correct methods” for both words and lines stressed that the highest style was “thin and hard” (瘦硬 = shouying), “seasoned and strong” (老辣 = laola), and had something definite from which it stemmed (出处来历 = chuchu laili).
He repeated the major points of the Jiangxi School as defining characteristics of good verse: poetry should represent loftiness in its establishment of aims, hard work in its application of the mind, extensive reading, and authenticity in following the masters.
He did point out some flaws in Jiangxi School also though.

He wrote 2715 poems, almost all of which were written during early Yuan.

== Dai Biaoyuan ==

Dao Biaoyuan was a writer who had an extensive social network centered on Hangzhou. His best works were his prose essays and he advocated the creation of poetics based on the Tang model.
The contents of his writings contained the complex relationship between social change, the abrogation of the examination system, and the status of writers.
He encouraged his students to study not just the High Tang but rather all Tang writers and resist imitation. Basically, he told his students to “write like the Tang but like no particular writer from the Tang.” His own poetry was not too good though.

In Hangzhou, he gathered a group of local writers linked by extensive social networks for communication and exchange.
They had poems sent back and forth as “matching rhymes” or “response poems” – modern critics say that these verses are artificial, occasional, and lacking in social realism, so they are mostly ignored; still, they represent Yuan writers’ works and lyric explorations of the quality of friendship and the significance of social encounters.

== Powerpoint ==

[https://wiki.vm.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/uvu/images/3/3c/1_575.pptx Powerpoint]

Yuan Literature II

2012-04-19T06:56:31Z

Meh:

Yuan Literature II

2012-04-19T06:54:45Z

Meh:

Yuan Literature II

2012-04-19T06:54:14Z

Meh:

= 2 trends when Southern Song fell: =
*Yimin = loyalists = leftover subjects – minds trapped in previous dynasty
*New areas of China opened up – travels. Many Buddhist and Daoist monks went to see the great temple complex at Mount Wutai and new capital in Dadu. It brought about a sense of unity.

= Implications of the end of the examination system =
Since there are no more imperial examinations, the writers started to do other stuff in its place.

Poetic competitions were organized in the south. They resurrected the ideals and structure of the examination system but its main focus is literary composition independent of political mobility.

Instead of testing the standard core of shared info, they created societies that examined different writers on their ability to write poetry of a single topic.

The institutions judged the quality or the works and awarded prizes.

Some of the themes were flowers, colophons on calligraphy and paintings, parting poems, poems celebrating appointments to positions, poetic gatherings, historical sites and events, etc.

Most important themes: palace poems and “bamboo songs” from West Lack in Hangzhou.

Hundreds of colophons and independently compiled and printed collections of poems on a single theme.

Like the imperial examinations, these events and competitions resulted in large gatherings, which strengthened communication and the cultural bond between writers.

= The Poetic Society of Moon Spring =

The most important society was Yuequan yinshe = 月泉吟社 = The Poetic Society of Moon Spring.

In Nov. 1286, Wu Wei sent out invitations to the poetic societies that he knew asking writers to compose a poem on the topic “Random Inspirations in Field and Garden in Days of Spring” and submit it on the Lantern Festival – 15th of 1st lunar month = Jan. 29, 1287. On April 16 the winners will be announced. Aoubt 2735 poems were collected and judged by eminent writers in the society, all of whom refused to serve the Yuan. Poets used pen names and names of examiners were not released. About 280 poems were selected, ranked, and published with commentary by judges and the number and amount of awards in the book called “Poems of the Poetic Society of Moon Spring.”

Top winner: 70 ft of silk, 5 pens, 5 sticks of ink.

= Yuan =

The poetic societies, especially The Poetic Society of Moon Spring, were acts of resistance to the Yuan.

They kept the value of writing alive as a cultural act as well as linked social and cultural authority to competition and rewards of good writing.

Due to the societies, the main feature of Yuan poetry is the collection of poems on a single topic, which is a highly cohesive social act.

Another remarkable characteristic is that the authorities did not interfere with the societies’ development of the purely private and extensive network of communication.

= Two Major Figures =
*方回 = Fang Hui (1227-1307)
*戴表元 = Dai Biaoyuan (1244-1311)

== Fang Hui ==

Fang Hui was one of the first officials to surrender to the Mongols. He served briefly under the Mongols and then spent the majority of his time moving around near Hangzhou and wrote. His character had issues but his poetry and critical works are all accepted.

Major work: 瀛奎律髓 = Yingkui Lüsui = The Essentials of the Regulated Verse of the Poets of the Tang and Song.
It contains 49 chapters. Fang Hui marked words in a poem that indicate its “eye,” which is its point of critical excellence, and he critiqued each poem with a short statement. He wanted to renew the place of Jiangxi School in the tradition to correct the overly refined and vulgar nature of Four Lings andd the Rivers and Lakes poets.

Fang Hui advocated yizu sanzong = the “one progenitor and three ancestors” – Du Fu, Huang Tingjian, Chen Shidao, Chen Yuyi, who are zhenshi zhi pai = the “correct school of poetry” and have the highest standards of cretivity
Fang Hui emphasized fa = “correct methods” for both words and lines stressed that the highest style was “thin and hard” (瘦硬 = shouying), “seasoned and strong” (老辣 = laola), and had something definite from which it stemmed (出处来历 = chuchu laili).
He repeated the major points of the Jiangxi School as defining characteristics of good verse: poetry should represent loftiness in its establishment of aims, hard work in its application of the mind, extensive reading, and authenticity in following the masters.
He did point out some flaws in Jiangxi School also though.

He wrote 2715 poems, almost all of which were written during early Yuan.

== Dai Biaoyuan ==

Dao Biaoyuan was a writer who had an extensive social network centered on Hangzhou. His best works were his prose essays and he advocated the creation of poetics based on the Tang model.
The contents of his writings contained the complex relationship between social change, the abrogation of the examination system, and the status of writers.
He encouraged his students to study not just the High Tang but rather all Tang writers and resist imitation. Basically, he told his students to “write like the Tang but like no particular writer from the Tang.” His own poetry was not too good though.

In Hangzhou, he gathered a group of local writers linked by extensive social networks for communication and exchange.
They had poems sent back and forth as “matching rhymes” or “response poems” – modern critics say that these verses are artificial, occasional, and lacking in social realism, so they are mostly ignored; still, they represent Yuan writers’ works and lyric explorations of the quality of friendship and the significance of social encounters.

== Powerpoint ==

[Powerpoint https://wiki.vm.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/uvu/images/3/3c/1_575.pptx]

File:2 19 (18).pptx

2012-04-19T06:53:00Z

Meh:

File:1 575.pptx

2012-04-19T06:52:52Z

Meh:

Talk:Songs from India

2012-04-19T06:49:06Z

Meh:

I really like it! maybe add some sythesis or conclusion like explain what your getting at. Alchemist1330

===Comment 2===
Nice wiki so far, but what exactly is the purpose of this thing? It would be nice to restate the purpose for those of us who knew what it was when you did the presentation but have forgotten. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The 5 Canonized Classics

2012-04-19T06:45:35Z

Meh:

Dear Arnold, that looks really good to me. Please still indicate the sources. You can look at the other articles for how to do it. Best, [[User:Root|Root]] 05:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

This looks very good I would try to find at least one picture to add though I realize that may be hard to.
Alchemist1330

==Comment 2==
No one adds pictures anymore???? There may exist some pictures of the stuff in calligraphy... --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The 5 Canonized Classics

2012-04-19T06:44:49Z

Meh:

Talk:Mencius

2012-04-19T06:43:54Z

Meh:

Dear Delon, please paste your reading in turn notes here. [[User:Root|Root]] 00:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

=comment=
My eyes hit a wall of text and now are bruised. --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== Comment 2 ==
I already read too much stuff with no pictures and this has just killed my left eye (right one already dead). --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Mencius

2012-04-19T06:43:41Z

Meh:

Dear Delon, please paste your reading in turn notes here. [[User:Root|Root]] 00:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

=comment=
My eyes hit a wall of text and now are bruised. --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== Comment 2 ==
I already read too many stuff with no pictures and this has just killed my left eye (right one already dead). --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Confucius

2012-04-19T06:40:12Z

Meh:

Hey, it's a start...[[User:Licia K|Licia K]] 05:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear Licia, please paste your reading in turn notes here and upload your ppt. Please make sure to include the sources, also of images. See the section on images in our [http://wiki.vm.rub.de/uvu/index.php/uvu:Community_Portal#How_to_upload_and_integrate_media_like_pictures.2C_powerpoint_presentations_etc. instructions]. Thanks! [[User:Root|Root]] 00:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Great pic! I think it could use a reference or two. [[User:Jimmerica]] 11:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Use the thumbnail adjustment on that picture. [[User:Alchemist1330]]

===Comment 4===
I though when the topic is a person it must be in first person? If not please ignore this. Also, the pictures kind of cut through your text. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The development of oral literature forms

2012-04-19T06:37:44Z

Meh:

I would add a picture or to to give it a more airy and proffesional look. Also i'm not sure if the all caps titles are working. Alchemsit1330

I would add a * list or something for the HUABEN section... maybe the sections need to be lengthened. --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Comment 3===
I would make the section more even - some has more white spaces on the bottom than others (although it's probably not that important). Just check the formatting in general. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The development of oral literature forms

2012-04-19T06:37:34Z

Meh:

Talk:Novel 'Journey to the West'

2012-04-19T06:29:46Z

Meh:

DO it. [[Alchemist1330]]

===Comment 2===
Too little.
--[[User:Meh|Meh]] 05:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== hm ==
I see that you have added more. Nice~ But more pictures would be even better. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Novel 'Journey to the West'

2012-04-19T06:29:16Z

Meh:

DO it. [[Alchemist1330]]

===Comment 2===
Too little.
--[[User:Meh|Meh]] 05:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== hm ==
I see that you have added more. Nice~ --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Feng Menglong

2012-04-19T06:28:04Z

Meh:

I like the structure. I don't really see anything that needs to be added... Maybe sources? --[[User:Checksum|Checksum]] 06:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

==Comment 2==
No pictures... my eyes hurt. --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 06:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Feng Menglong

2012-04-19T06:27:55Z

Meh:

Talk:Novel 'Journey to the West'

2012-04-19T05:07:39Z

Meh:

DO it. [[Alchemist1330]]

===Comment 2===
Too little.
--[[User:Meh|Meh]] 05:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Novel 'Water Margin'

2012-04-19T05:05:51Z

Meh: Created page with '===Comment 1=== Add a few pictures perhaps? Very nice otherwise. --~~~~'

===Comment 1===
Add a few pictures perhaps?
Very nice otherwise.
--[[User:Meh|Meh]] 05:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The predecessors of newspapers

2012-04-19T05:04:08Z

Meh:

Add some Pictures and Fix your title with proper capitalization. [[Alchemist1330]]

===Comment 2===
*Some pictures would be nice - if there are any, that is.
*Maybe separate the works cited sections a bit more from the rest of your text?
--[[User:Meh|Meh]] 05:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Literary Societies

2012-04-19T05:01:29Z

Meh:

===Comment===
*There is a weird dotted box around a sentence towards the bottom of the page.
*The large picture of 4 men sort of cut your article...
Great work~ --[[User:ArnoldQ|ArnoldQ]] 04:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Comment 2===
*The picture in the "Jiangxi School" section kind of cut your next sextion...
*There is a � in the "Banana Garden Poetry Club" section.
*There is a empty dotted box just before the References.
Otherwise it looks great~ --[[User:Meh|Meh]] 05:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)