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Translations of Poetry

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Translations of Poetry

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−	*Both are translations of the same poem, but with changes of key words or ideas, they seem to be two different themes on the same idea. While neither author (presumably) is trying to put words into my pen, it seems that authors take liberty with what I may have meant or will freely interpret what he or she thought I was trying to say, but to attempt to "say it better." In the Tian text, she equates the hero worship Su Shi felt toward Tao Yuanming as one who is a bit fanatical in their devotion to, say, a pop star like a Michael Jackson or something. I (Jenny, not Tao Yuanming) could say that I understand M.J. better than anyone else on the planet. I could interpret his lyrics and even change a word because that superstar is not alive today to tell me that I am either wrong or right. Sure, the copyright laws could have a say in that, but I understand him better than <i>anyone</i> and	+	*Both are translations of the same poem, but with changes of key words or ideas, they seem to be two different themes on the same idea. While neither author (presumably) is trying to put words into my pen, it seems that authors take liberty with what I may have meant or will freely interpret what he or she thought I was trying to say, but to attempt to "say it better." In the Tian text, she equates the hero worship Su Shi felt toward Tao Yuanming as one who is a bit fanatical in their devotion to, say, a pop star like a Michael Jackson or something. I (Jenny, not Tao Yuanming) could say that I understand M.J. better than anyone else on the planet. I could interpret his lyrics and even change a word because that superstar is not alive today to tell me that I am either wrong or right. Sure, the copyright laws could have a say in that, but I understand him better than <i>anyone</i> and that is the basis of my authority to change words to fit my perception of that artist.

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-*Both are translations of the same poem, but with changes of key words or ideas, they seem to be two different themes on the same idea. While neither author (presumably) is trying to put words into my pen, it seems that authors take liberty with what I may have meant or will freely interpret what he or she thought I was trying to say, but to attempt to "say it better."
+*Both are translations of the same poem, but with changes of key words or ideas, they seem to be two different themes on the same idea. While neither author (presumably) is trying to put words into my pen, it seems that authors take liberty with what I may have meant or will freely interpret what he or she thought I was trying to say, but to attempt to "say it better." In the Tian text, she equates the hero worship Su Shi felt toward Tao Yuanming as one who is a bit fanatical in their devotion to, say, a pop star like a Michael Jackson or something. I (Jenny, not Tao Yuanming) could say that I understand M.J. better than anyone else on the planet. I could interpret his lyrics and even change a word because that superstar is not alive today to tell me that I am either wrong or right. Sure, the copyright laws could have a say in that, but I understand him better than <i>anyone</i> and
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-*There are many different readings to the italicized sentence, and Su Shi was confident that he had gotten the true meaning when he said "''see''" was more spontaneous than "''gaze''". This is because of the importance of "possessing" in Song culture. People were very anxious about the authenticity of texts and about getting the genuine edition. There is speculation that it is this controversy over the exact meaning of my work which actually made my poetry so important.
+There are many different readings to the italicized sentence, and Su Shi was confident that he had interpreted the true meaning when he said "''see''" was more spontaneous than "''gaze''". This is because of the importance of "possessing" in Song culture. People were very anxious about the authenticity of texts and about receiving the genuine edition. There is speculation that it is this controversy over the exact meaning of my work which actually made my poetry so important, because the argument still continues.
 == References ==

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 == Translations of Poetry ==
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-     <th><b>Steady Rain, Drinking Alone</b><br>
+     <th>Steady Rain, Drinking Alone<br>
 <i>(Translation 1993, David Hinton)</i><br>
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 in this body long since lost to change,<br>
 my thoughts remain, quite silent after all.<br></th>
-     <th><b>2nd poem</b></th><br>
+     <th><b>Drinking Alone during Incessant Rain</b><br>
 <i>(a translation from Xiaofei Tian's text, 2005)</i><br>
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 (My form and spirit were dead long ago,)<br>
 but the mind is still here/(it is in my mind)<br>
-and what more is there to say?<br>
+and what more is there to say?<br></th><br>
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 in this body long since lost to change,<br>
 my thoughts remain, quite silent after all.<br></th>
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+    <th><b>2nd poem</b></th><br>
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-     <th>Berlin</th>
+     <th><b>Steady Rain, Drinking Alone</b><br>
 <i>(Translation 1993, David Hinton)</i><br>
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 in this body long since lost to change,<br>
-my thoughts remain, quite silent after all.<br>
+my thoughts remain, quite silent after all.<br></th>
+  </tr>
 <b>Drinking Alone during Incessant Rain</b><br>

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 == Classroom presentations ==
 *[[Media:Tao_Qian.pptx]] Powerpoint by Arnold Q
-*[[Media:Tao_Yuanming_by_Jenny_R.ppt]] Powerpoint by Jenny R
+*[[Media:Tao_Yuanming_by_Jenny_R.pptx]] Powerpoint by Jenny R