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===1、宁国府===
 
===1、宁国府===
1.贾珍 Cousin Zhen
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1.贾珍 Treasure Merchant
  
尤氏 Madam You
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尤氏 Madam Outstanding
  
 
茄官 Entertainer
 
茄官 Entertainer
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3.入画 Painting
 
3.入画 Painting
  
彩屏Colored Screen
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彩屏 Colored Screen
  
彩儿Color
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彩儿 Color
  
贾蓉 False Prosperity
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贾蓉 Prosperity Merchant
  
秦可卿Qin Frivolity
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秦可卿 Frivolity Grain
  
4.瑞珠Ruichu
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4.瑞珠 Auspicious Pearl
  
宝珠Jewel
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宝珠 Jewel
  
焦大Jiaoda
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焦大 Big Coke
  
王兴Wangxin
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王兴 Rising King
  
潘又安Pan Youan
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潘又安 Foreign Pieceful Waters
 
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[[File:Example.jpg]]
  
 
--[[User:Peng Jiayu|Peng Jiayu]] ([[User talk:Peng Jiayu|talk]]) 10:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)===2、荣国府===
 
--[[User:Peng Jiayu|Peng Jiayu]] ([[User talk:Peng Jiayu|talk]]) 10:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)===2、荣国府===
5.贾母 Lady Grandma  
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5.贾母 Grandma Merchant
  
 
鸳鸯 Mandarin Duck
 
鸳鸯 Mandarin Duck
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贾赦 Pardon Merchant
 
贾赦 Pardon Merchant
  
7.邢夫人 Lady Xing
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7.邢夫人 Lady City
  
 
秋桐 Autumn  
 
秋桐 Autumn  
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费婆子 Granny Pay
 
费婆子 Granny Pay
  
王善保家的(陪房)Mercy Protect Wang
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王善保家的(陪房)Preserving Kindness King Family (Servants)
  
贾政 Master Jia
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贾政 Master Merchant
  
8.王夫人 Lady Wang
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8.王夫人 Lady King
  
金钏        Golden
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金钏        Golden Bracelet
  
玉钏        Silver
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玉钏        Silver Bracelet
  
 
彩霞        Suncloud
 
彩霞        Suncloud
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彩云        Sunset
 
彩云        Sunset
  
9.彩鸾 Colorful bluebird
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9.彩鸾 Colorful Bluebird
  
绣鸾 Embroidered bluebird
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绣鸾 Embroidered Bluebird
  
绣凤 Embroidered phoenix
+
绣凤 Embroidered Phoenix
  
 
小霞 Sunset
 
小霞 Sunset
  
周瑞 Propitious Zhou
+
周瑞 Auspicious Surrounding
  
10.周瑞家的(陪房)Mercy Rui Zhou
+
10.周瑞家的(陪房)Family (Servants) of Auspicious Surrounding
  
 
+
贾宝玉 Precious Jade Merchant
贾宝玉 Precious Jade
 
  
 
袭人(蕊珠)Aroma
 
袭人(蕊珠)Aroma
  
晴雯 Qingwen
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晴雯 Sunny Cloud Formation
  
 
麝月 Musk Deer Month
 
麝月 Musk Deer Month
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11.秋纹 Autumn Vein
 
11.秋纹 Autumn Vein
  
碧痕 Blueish-green mark
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碧痕 Turquoise Mark
  
 
春燕 Spring Swallow
 
春燕 Spring Swallow
  
四儿 Four
+
四儿 Fourth
  
芳官 Fragrant Guan
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芳官 Fragrant Official
  
 
12.茜雪  Snow Alizarin
 
12.茜雪  Snow Alizarin
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坠儿    Lassock Drop
 
坠儿    Lassock Drop
  
檀云    Cloud Sandalwood
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檀云    Sandalwood Cloud
  
 
绮霰    Beautiful Frost
 
绮霰    Beautiful Frost
  
13.良儿 Kindhearted
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13.良儿 Kindhearted
  
媚人 Charming
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媚人     Charming
  
墨雨 Inky
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墨雨     Inky
  
紫绡 Purple Gauze
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紫绡     Purple Gauze
  
李嬷嬷(奶母)Nanny Li (Wet Nurse)
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李嬷嬷(奶母)Nanny Plum(Wet Nurse)
  
14.宋嬷嬷:Nanny Song
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14.宋嬷嬷 Nanny Woodhouse
  
茗烟:Tealeaf
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茗烟 Tealeaf
  
扫红:Sweep Red
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扫红 Sweep Red
  
锄药:Ploughboy
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锄药 Ploughboy
  
伴鹤:Companion Crane
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伴鹤 Companion Crane
  
15.李贵—Expensive Gift
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15.李贵 Expensive Gift
  
扫花—Flower Sweep
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扫花 Flower Sweeper
  
引泉—Spring Lead
+
引泉 Fountain Lead
  
挑云—Wind Selection
+
挑云 Cloudpicker
  
双瑞—Auspicious Double
+
双瑞 Auspicious Double
 
——[[User:Yi Mingxia|Yi Mingxia]] ([[User talk:Yi Mingxia|talk]])
 
——[[User:Yi Mingxia|Yi Mingxia]] ([[User talk:Yi Mingxia|talk]])
  
 
16.双寿 Double Life
 
16.双寿 Double Life
  
贾琏 Fake Romance  
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贾琏 Romance Merchant
  
王熙凤 Splendid Phoenix  
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王熙凤 Splendid Phoenix King
  
 
平儿 Patience  
 
平儿 Patience  
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彩哥 Colorful Boy
 
彩哥 Colorful Boy
  
来旺妇(凤姐陪房)Prosperity’s Wife  
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来旺妇(凤姐陪房)Prosperity’s Wife (Sister Phoenix' Servant)
  
 
昭儿 Lucency  
 
昭儿 Lucency  
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善姐 Sister Mercy
 
善姐 Sister Mercy
  
19.王信 Credit
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19.王信 Credit King
  
林之孝 Filial Piety
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林之孝 Filial Piety Forest
  
林之孝家的 Filial Piety's Wife
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林之孝家的 Filial Piety Forest's Wife
  
赵嬷嬷(贾琏奶母) Nanny Zhao (Fake Romance' wet nurse)
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赵嬷嬷(贾琏奶母) Nanny Walk (Romance Merchant's wet nurse)
  
贾元春 First Spring  
+
贾元春 First Spring Merchant
  
 
--[[User:Peng Jiayu|Peng Jiayu]] ([[User talk:Peng Jiayu|talk]]) 10:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Peng Jiayu|Peng Jiayu]] ([[User talk:Peng Jiayu|talk]]) 10:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
  
20.抱琴 Hold Harp
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20.抱琴 Hold Harp
  
青芸Green Rape
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青芸 Green Rape
  
 
琴韵 Harp Rhythm  
 
琴韵 Harp Rhythm  
  
贾迎春 Jia Spring Pleasure  
+
贾迎春 Spring Pleasure Merchant
  
 
司棋 Controlling Board
 
司棋 Controlling Board
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莲花儿 Lotus
 
莲花儿 Lotus
  
柱儿妈(奶母) Granny of Post
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柱儿妈(奶母) Post's Granny (Wet Nurse)
  
 
柱儿媳妇 Post's Wife
 
柱儿媳妇 Post's Wife
  
王善保家的(司棋姥姥) wife of Preserving Kindness Wang(grandma of Controlling Board)
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王善保家的(司棋姥姥) wife of Preserving Kindness King (Grandma of the Controlling Board)
  
 
22.贾探春 Seeking-Spring Merchant
 
22.贾探春 Seeking-Spring Merchant
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入画 Beautiful Senery
 
入画 Beautiful Senery
  
彩屏Colorful Screen
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彩屏 Colorful Screen
  
 
彩儿 Colorful
 
彩儿 Colorful
  
李纨 Silk Li
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李纨 Silk Plum
  
 
24.素云 Candida  --[[User:Huang Xiaolan|Huang Xiaolan]] ([[User talk:Huang Xiaolan|talk]]) 10:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 
24.素云 Candida  --[[User:Huang Xiaolan|Huang Xiaolan]] ([[User talk:Huang Xiaolan|talk]]) 10:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
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碧月 Greenmoon
 
碧月 Greenmoon
  
林黛玉 Mascara Jade
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林黛玉 Mascara Jade Forest
  
 
雪雁 Snowgoose
 
雪雁 Snowgoose
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藕官 Actress Lotus-root
 
藕官 Actress Lotus-root
  
王妈妈(奶母) Nanny King
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王妈妈(奶母) Nanny King (Wet Nurse)
  
 
==二、王家==
 
==二、王家==

Revision as of 10:05, 25 April 2021

Quicklinks: Course Homepage. Joint translation terms (this page) Homework 1, Mar 3 Chapters 1-4, 2, Mar 10 Chapters 6-7, 3, Mar 17 Chapters 11-13, 4, Mar 24 Chapters 15-17, 5, Mar 31 Chapters 4-7, 6, Apr 7 Chapters 8-10, 7, Apr 14 Chapters 13-15 , 8, Apr 21 Chapters 17-19etc.

How to translate terms and names in the Honglou meng consistently?

Use 《红楼梦大辞典》. Media:hlm_da_cidian_new.doc (1st edition pp. 1-889, 2nd edition 1980 pp. 990-ca. 1513).

Let's agree upon the translation

Abbreviations

  • HM David Hawkes and John Minford 大卫·霍克斯
  • YY Gladys Yang and Yang Xianyi 杨宪益、戴乃迭夫妇

Terms and Names

一、贾家

1、宁国府

1.贾珍 Treasure Merchant

尤氏 Madam Outstanding

茄官 Entertainer

银蝶儿 Silver Butterfly

万儿 Endless Pattern

2.来升 Advancement

喜儿 Joy

寿儿 Longevity

栓儿 Plug

贾惜春 Spring-cherish Merchant

3.入画 Painting

彩屏 Colored Screen

彩儿 Color

贾蓉 Prosperity Merchant

秦可卿 Frivolity Grain

4.瑞珠 Auspicious Pearl

宝珠 Jewel

焦大 Big Coke

王兴 Rising King

潘又安 Foreign Pieceful Waters Example.jpg

--Peng Jiayu (talk) 10:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)===2、荣国府=== 5.贾母 Grandma Merchant

鸳鸯 Mandarin Duck

文官 Literal Official

琥珀 Amber

蕊珠 Pistil Ovule

6.翡翠 Jadeite

玻璃 Glass

傻大姐 Silly Sister

鹦鹉 Parrot

贾赦 Pardon Merchant

7.邢夫人 Lady City

秋桐 Autumn

费婆子 Granny Pay

王善保家的(陪房)Preserving Kindness King Family (Servants)

贾政 Master Merchant

8.王夫人 Lady King

金钏 Golden Bracelet

玉钏 Silver Bracelet

彩霞 Suncloud

彩云 Sunset

9.彩鸾 Colorful Bluebird

绣鸾 Embroidered Bluebird

绣凤 Embroidered Phoenix

小霞 Sunset

周瑞 Auspicious Surrounding

10.周瑞家的(陪房)Family (Servants) of Auspicious Surrounding

贾宝玉 Precious Jade Merchant

袭人(蕊珠)Aroma

晴雯 Sunny Cloud Formation

麝月 Musk Deer Month

11.秋纹 Autumn Vein

碧痕 Turquoise Mark

春燕 Spring Swallow

四儿 Fourth

芳官 Fragrant Official

12.茜雪 Snow Alizarin

佳蕙 Good Orchid

坠儿 Lassock Drop

檀云 Sandalwood Cloud

绮霰 Beautiful Frost

13.良儿 Kindhearted

媚人 Charming

墨雨 Inky

紫绡 Purple Gauze

李嬷嬷(奶母)Nanny Plum(Wet Nurse)

14.宋嬷嬷 Nanny Woodhouse

茗烟 Tealeaf

扫红 Sweep Red

锄药 Ploughboy

伴鹤 Companion Crane

15.李贵 Expensive Gift

扫花 Flower Sweeper

引泉 Fountain Lead

挑云 Cloudpicker

双瑞 Auspicious Double ——Yi Mingxia (talk)

16.双寿 Double Life

贾琏 Romance Merchant

王熙凤 Splendid Phoenix King

平儿 Patience

小红 Little Red

17.丰儿 Abundance

彩明 Colorful Light

彩哥 Colorful Boy

来旺妇(凤姐陪房)Prosperity’s Wife (Sister Phoenix' Servant)

昭儿 Lucency

18.--Zhao Ke (talk) 13:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

旺儿 Vigor

隆儿 Flourish

兴儿 Thrive

庆儿 Gala

善姐 Sister Mercy

19.王信 Credit King

林之孝 Filial Piety Forest

林之孝家的 Filial Piety Forest's Wife

赵嬷嬷(贾琏奶母) Nanny Walk (Romance Merchant's wet nurse)

贾元春 First Spring Merchant

--Peng Jiayu (talk) 10:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

20.抱琴 Hold Harp

青芸 Green Rape

琴韵 Harp Rhythm

贾迎春 Spring Pleasure Merchant

司棋 Controlling Board

21.绣橘 Embroidered Orange

莲花儿 Lotus

柱儿妈(奶母) Post's Granny (Wet Nurse)

柱儿媳妇 Post's Wife

王善保家的(司棋姥姥) wife of Preserving Kindness King (Grandma of the Controlling Board)

22.贾探春 Seeking-Spring Merchant Seeking Spring --Wang Zihan (talk) 09:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Wang Zihan

侍书 Book Server

艾官 Chinese Mugwort

翠墨 Bright Ink

小蝉 Little Beauty

23. 贾惜春 Cherishing-Spring Merchant Treasuring/Cherishing Spring --Wang Zihan (talk) 09:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Wang Zihan

入画 Beautiful Senery

彩屏 Colorful Screen

彩儿 Colorful

李纨 Silk Plum

24.素云 Candida --Huang Xiaolan (talk) 10:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

碧月 Greenmoon

林黛玉 Mascara Jade Forest

雪雁 Snowgoose

紫鹃(鹦哥)Nightingale

25.春纤 Fiber Spring

藕官 Actress Lotus-root

王妈妈(奶母) Nanny King (Wet Nurse)

二、王家

王子腾。 Soar King

三、史家

史湘云 Fragrant-cloud History

26.翠缕(缕儿)Kingfisher

葵官 Sunflower

周奶妈 Nanny Zhou

四、薛家

薛姨妈 Aunt Xue

同喜 Maid Xi

27.同贵(Maid Wealth))

薛宝钗(Miss Bao) Precious Virtue/Jeweled Hair Pin --Wang Zihan (talk) 09:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Wang Zihan

莺儿(Maid Oriole)

文杏(Maid Apricot)

蕊官(Actress Pistil)

28.薛蟠—夏金桂 - Dragon Xue–Goldish Osmanthus

宝蟾–Precious Toad

小舍儿–The Abandoned

香菱(甄英莲)–Wiselotus Zhen

29.臻儿 Perfect

薛蝌—邢岫烟 Tadpole Xue — Cave Cloud Xing

篆儿 Seal

薛宝琴 Precious Strings Xue

30.小螺 Little Spiral

豆官(豆童)Bean

Old List

人名 HM译名 大意 WE译名

迎春 Welcome Spring

詹光 Advantage Seeker

单聘仁 Sophisticated liar

宝钗 Precious hairpin

贾政 Master Jia

刑夫人 Lady Xing(刑好像没有啥含义,直接音译?)

王夫人 Lady Wang(王好像也没有什么含义,直接音译?或者Lady Queen?)

警幻仙姑 the fairy Disenchantment 觉醒仙姑 Fairy ...

晴雯 Skybright 天晴

袭人 Aroma 芳香, 香味

麝月 Musk 麝香(让我联想到风湿膏之类的东西)

秋纹 Ripple 波浪, 涟漪

茜雪 Snowpink 雪粉红

芸香/蕙香/四儿 Soldanella/Citronella/Number Four 高山钟花/亚香茅/四号

碧痕 Emerald 祖母绿,翠绿色

小红 Crimson 深红色(乍一看还以为和crime什么的相关)

佳蕙 Melilot 草木樨

坠儿 Trinket 小装饰物

春燕 Swallow 吞

柳五儿 Fivey 老五

茗烟 Tealeaf 茶叶

雪雁 Snowgoose 雪雁,雪鹅

紫鹃 Nightingale 夜莺,歌鸲

香菱 Caltrop 蒺藜,矢车菊

莺儿 Oriole 黄鹂,金莺

宝蟾 Moonbeam 月光

靛儿 Prettikins ?

翠缕 Kingfisher 翠鸟

素云 Candida (英语词典中找不到对应的。拉丁语candidus白,纯洁)

妙玉 Adamantina 金刚(妙姐就是与众不同)

鸳鸯 Faithful 忠诚的

琥珀 Amber 琥珀

傻大姐 Simple 愚蠢的?

云光 Cloudlight

平儿 Patience 容忍,耐心(夹缝中生存)

丰儿 Felicity 巨大幸福

兴儿 Joker (的确很逗乐)

旺儿 Brightie 聪明

彩明 Sunshine 阳光

秋桐 Autumn 秋

善姐 Mercy 怜悯

彩云 Suncloud 太阳云

彩霞 Sunset 日落,晚霞

金钏 Golden 黄金的

玉钏 Silver 银的(为什么不是玉的)

抱琴 Lutany ?(lute鲁特琴)

司棋 Chess 象棋

侍书 Scribe 抄写员

入画 Picture

绣桔 Tangerine 柑橘

翠墨 Ebony 乌黑色

琪官 Bijou 珠宝首饰(这些X官的名字好像都是法语词)

文官 Elegante 优雅

宝官 Trésor 保险箱(法语来的)

玉官 Topaze 黄玉

龄官 Charmante 迷人

芳官/耶律雄奴/温都里纳/玻璃 Parfumée/Yelu Hunni/Aventurin/Glassy or Glass-eyes 香/耶律匈奴/金星玻璃/玻璃

蕊官 Etamine 纱罗

藕官 Nenuphar 睡莲

葵官/大英 Althee/Valiant 蜀葵属?/英勇的

荳官 Cardamome 豆蔻

艾官 Artemisie 蒿属植物?

茄官 Aubergine 紫茄子

菂官 Pivoine 牡丹?(“菂”是莲子的意思)

卍儿 Swastika 卍字符

瑞珠 Gem 宝石

宝珠 Jewel 宝石

云儿 Nuageuse 云(法语)

娇杏 HM Lucky 侥幸

智能 Sapientia 智慧?

多浑虫 "Droopy Duo" 萎靡多?

多姑娘 "the Mattress" 床垫(这个真邪恶)

真事隐 Zhen Shiyin = HM Zhen Shiyin = YY Zhen Shiyin = WE Hidden Truth

贾雨村 Jia Yucun WE Rainvillage Merchant

女娲 Nüwa Nvwa, WE Goddess

贾母 Dowager Lady Jia => Granny Merchant

賈寶玉 贾宝玉 Jia Baoyu WE Precious Jade

王熙凤 WE Phoenix King = 凤姐 Sister Phoenix

贾瑞 WE Omen Jia

贾珍 Jia Zhen= Cousin Zhen

尤夫人 Madam You = Mrs. You

尤氏母亲 old Mrs You = Madam You’s mother

山子野 Gardener Ye

Hidden/double meanings

甄士隐——真事隐(去) 甄英莲——真应怜 霍启——祸起 贾雨村——假语村(言) 姣杏——侥幸 冯渊——逢冤 秦可卿——情可亲 秦钟——情种 詹光——沾光 卜固修——不顾羞 卜世仁——不是人 石呆子——实呆子 元春、迎春、探春、惜春——原应叹息 贾、史、王、薛——假史枉雪 贾雨村(假语村) 甄士隐(真事隐) 甄英莲(真应怜) 甄应嘉(真应假) 张友士(张有事) 秦可卿(情可亲) 元迎探惜(原应叹息) 千红一窟(哭) 万艳同杯(悲) 卜世仁(不是人) 葫芦(糊涂) 荔枝(离枝) 玉带林(林黛玉) 圆(缘) 蘅芜院(恨无缘) 青埂(情根) 十里街(势利街) 仁清巷(人情巷) 胡州(胡诌) 贾化(假话) 时飞(实非) 严老爷(炎老爷) 娇杏(侥幸) 霍启(祸起) 封肃(风俗) 张如圭(张如鬼) 冯渊(逢冤) 于老爷(愚老爷) 余信(愚性) 秦钟(情种) 詹光(沾光) 单聘仁(擅骗人) 吴新登(无星戥) 戴良(大量) 钱华(钱花) 秦业(情孽) 戴权(大权) 卜固修(不顾羞) 坠儿(赘儿) 宋嬷嬷(送嬷嬷) 贾蔷(假强)